Barbara -
Do you know if this case will rely, in any respect, on information reviewed in the recent exoneration of Regina Spiess in Switzerland?
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Belgium: Jehovah’s Witnesses to face trial for discrimination and incitement to hate
by AndersonsInfo injehovah’s witnesses to face trial for discrimination and incitement to hate.
https://www.thebulletin.be/jehovahs-witnesses-face-trial-discrimination-and-incitement-hate?fbclid=iwar3wroaxyiadw0lomgmway-jkwzgzqxtswsid1d2lxhjgtndnfvvclqboo0.
"while jehovah’s witnesses have been the target of civil court cases before, this is the first time an entire congregation has ever been charged with a crime.".
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How the active psychology works on people who are practicing Jehovah's Witnesses
by Mr.Finkelstein ini dont hold any doctorate degree in human psychology but if you look at the jws from a layman's perspective of whats going on inside the head of your typical jws it isn't that are hard to understand.
if you haven't noticed the jws have the propensity to reiterate word for word what the wts teaches and fills the heads of people who are strongly attached to the jws religion.. in short the wts tells people what to think and what to say about various topics, theology based or otherwise.
how that comes about is the wholehearted acceptance that what comes to the readers off the pages of the wts's literature, has come from god's chosen earthly mediators the gb men.
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just to remind... Jesus didn't write a single word of the Bible.
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Quit Quietly now more than ever
by gone for good inthe amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.
- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.
make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).
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You must have been out, there was a call for you
Sail Away applied this approach with a 100% success rate
Read all about it in an ealier post on this thread.
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Quit Quietly now more than ever
by gone for good inthe amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.
- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.
make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).
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One of the points Ms. Spiess validated in her exoneration goes something like this -
To inflict (or even threaten) punishment upon others for not performing an act which can only be valid if done in accord with their individual consciences' - constitutes ecclesiastic coercion.
It is not a crime to hate, nor is shunning a crime. It is a crime to incite others to hate, it is a criminal act to emotionally harm others, especially youngsters, or to inflict psychological abuse - which can be longer lasting and harder to treat than physical assaults.
A real life example from JWland. A JW grandfather (to MANY grandchildren) has slowly become an alcoholic in his own home, as a way to cope with his JW wifes complaining, bitchy demanding character. She reports him, and then again later. and then again. Theres JC, he is disfellowshipped and his own beloved grandchildren are coerced into shunning an old man who hasn't harmed a single one of them.
Those young people didn't really have a true choice of conscience as they had been conditioned throughout their lives with the systemic coercions of groupthink, cult-loyalty, unity at all costs, and punishment to all who question, disagree or transgress.
No real soil to grow an actual conscience there is there?
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Quit Quietly now more than ever
by gone for good inthe amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.
- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.
make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).
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HowTheBibleWasCreated -
No meetings and no service create a unique opportunity for leavers. Many will have already seen how utterly irrelevant religion really is, and how puny/non-existent is any direction, help or comfort from G.O.D.s.
Reddit ex/jw is alive with comments from young folks dreading the return to the dismal JW (ab)normal life.
They have nothing to lose by writing a letter claiming their legal, permanent right to freedom far superior to even their freedoms of the past 3 months.
As they anticipate only the resumption of propaganda and manipulation of their lives - they have much to gain with a quick decisive exit right now.
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Quit Quietly now more than ever
by gone for good inthe amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.
- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.
make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).
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Phizzy -
I'm so delighted to see you make the connection that your letter IS your exercise of a human right.
Sign, dated, witnessed, and specifying explicitly the actions of violations you will no longer tolerate - I think you have a very substantial legal document to stop congregational persecution dead in its tracks.
Phizzy, you raised an amazing congruent point in your last paragraph ! - thank you so much for it..
The unstoppable knock on effect within the congregation!
Most (I would assert ALL) of the shunning is not really voluntary reaction by individuals but rather is the result of the industrial level coercion from the ecclesiastical chain overhead -bullying to be blunt.
To have legally shed the cult status of "Brother" without ecclesiastic censure will certainly not go unnoticed inside the congregation.
When your loved ones (and true friends) realize that they can now "scripturally" associate freely with you - they will soon appreciate exactly how great a freedom you achieved with a simple well-timed, well-written letter.
If the elders attempt to harass your associates their first and obvious realization will be "....I need to write a letter also - just like Phizzys'" Then their friends get freedom-envy and they think "... I need to write a letter" etc. etc,
As for me and my household, we can almost hear the Watchtower splitting to pieces.
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Quit Quietly now more than ever
by gone for good inthe amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.
- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.
make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).
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Phizzy -
THE LETTER IS YOUR CLAIM TO FREEDOM OF RELIGION !!
Once the letter is finished you are free because you claimed your freedom in the letter !
No more ecclesiastic authority can be brought to bear as you are no longer a member- you have claimed your freedom in writing and superseded their authority with your own.
Democracies guarantee human rights to all from your first breath - you didn't have to claim it like you did a license, you always had it - it's written in stone.
Separation of church and state means that freedom is the norm and only willing submission of membership in cults can suspend it. sSince membership is voluntary - the state need not interfere in ecclesistical affairs to restore a persons freedom - they do it themselves by simply ending the membership and claiming the freedom as their own
We willingly suspended our human rights by becoming members of a religion whose doctrine and discipline involves intimidating members from ever leaving and punishing members who have or are about to leave.
Can you imagine on what grounds a church could possibly disregard your claim to freedom of religion??Apostasy?? There are no laws on apostasy in democracies - . to abandon or change is a right not a crime.
On what grounds could they possibly dispute the fact that their own authority over you has been rescinded in writing? The courts do not and cannot force ecclesiastic authority upon those who have rescinded membership and the authority of the church - to enforce ecclesiastic law would itself be a violation of religious freedoms committed by the court itself !
It's all about membership -restarting your secular freedoms by ending the cult membership.
Timing is paramount -preempt and repudiate ecclesiastical interference in strong terms '
The threats will never need to be acted on because there are simply no grounds whatsoever upon which they can contest your actions.in a court.
Ain't nobody goin' to court with this plan - ever.
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Quit Quietly now more than ever
by gone for good inthe amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.
- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.
make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).
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Earrnest and Phizzy -
You both are horribly confused !
The ONLY issue for leavers is - "How do I regain my freedom of religion from this abusive nasty cult?"
All democratic governments (state/provincial and federal) guarantee freedom of religion to their citizens.
The government and courts don't know which citizens are wanting their freedom back from a nasty abusive cult, and which citizens are enjoying the graceful company and charitable works of a happy, loving church.
Here how they find out who needs the help of the courts-
Individuals exercise the guaranteed right to freedom by simply declaring themselves to be free - by actions and deliberate words.
Churches who respect universal human rights may well react in a dignified, nonthreatening, even kind manner, wishing the leaver well on their continuing spiritual journey. Few, if any, friendships might be lostbut certainly not your loved ones and true friends.
Then there are Jehovahs Witnesses - who consider the pursuit of religious freedom as a crime (Apostasy) and use their own invented doctrines to scourge the freedom seeker, by labeling him as an apostate and coercing the entire congregation (including the seekers family an and loved ones to ostracise and shame him.
Remember - this is Jehovahs Witnesses reaction to someone who seeks to claim a human right guaranteed by their democratic governments.
It is illegal to interfere with or coerce someone who wishes to or has exercised a legal right, the coercion, interference are no different than the actual denying of that right. . Read this sentence again
Ms. Spiess made clear that JWs violate human rights law with such interference and coercion. The ecclesiastic heights know this as they are the ones who fabricated their doctrines to dissuade, even scare JWS from ever seeking to be free.
WT/JW never mention that religious freedom is available to be claimed by EVERYONE INDIVIDUALLY not just churches and organizations
Freedom of religious legislation grants churches the freedom to concoct, twist and teach any hateful, dishonest, manipulative doctrines they can spew, but they simply cannot violate the rights of persons who claim their right to be free of those same doctrines
Earnest -
Defamation has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue of how to exercise our right to religious freedom.
It was simply the charge with which Watchtower hoped to intimidate and silence Ms. Spiess. It blew up right in their lying faces,
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Quit Quietly now more than ever
by gone for good inthe amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.
- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.
make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).
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Reply (and apology) coming tonight.
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Quit Quietly now more than ever
by gone for good inthe amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.
- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.
make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).
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Phizzy -
We're making headway here!
Let's visualize a few progressing scenarios...
You are likely already fading or wondering how to start a fade, PIMO (Physically In Mentally Out)
You still attend regularly only for personal/family reasons -kids, grandchildren, friendships = PIMO
You have long stopped contributing financially. not engaging in any"field service", not reporting and not commenting at meetings (so no longer being addressed as Brother, Sister.)
Your letter has already been written, dated, notarized, and is instantly available.
You wrote the letter when you were in good standing, so no committees were in progress by the date you penned your letter.
Your letter contains only these two FACTS: * You have exercised your legal right to freedom of religion as per state/nation laws.
* Your intent to sue any person or group who contravenes your freedom in any way. -by henceforth collecting, storing or sharing any personal information about you - by any form of ecclesiastical actions directed at you - including but not limited to: * the public announcing of your name or your religious affiliations (or lack thereof) * any attempt to incite others to contravene your freedoms of association, speech, movement and religion as stated by law.# ( Cite the law).......
Your letter offers no reasons for your choice (unnecessary). contains no inflammatory comments (Unnecessary and unwise),.
You attend meetings to socialize with family and friends, (you are a real friend to those you love).
You are not a JW anymore but no one knows this yet - *important point for later*
You are not suffering persecution from JWs yet.
You have now claimed for yourself, the very same rights and freedoms the WT proudly boasts to have claimed for itself and its' members...
Jump in here everyone,.. let's build a bullet proof scenario